Top 5 Most Reliable Handguns Of All Time

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A list of the most reliable & trusted pistols in history.
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  • Honest Outlaw

    Honest Outlaw

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    The Beretta M9 was suppose to be on this list as an honorable mention, honestly I just forgot to mention it. The 1911 didn't make it even though I love it bc it is made by too many different manufactures with different tolerances and quality control. 1911's from Dan Wesson, Colt, Springfield and so on are great pistols but they're are a lot of duds out there as well.

    • Mr Wilk

      Mr Wilk

      5 օր առաջ

      @Yu Flang Pu yo. As a budget gun it’s def the most reliable out there with the APX right behind it. I tested the G2c with 500 aluminum casing and only had one miss fire from a bad cartridge. Taurus really stepped up.

    • Bobby Hull

      Bobby Hull

      9 օր առաջ

      My Para 1911 works great for me

    • Jacob Diaz

      Jacob Diaz

      24 օր առաջ

      Dang it! I love the look of the 1911. Whenever I hear hand gun or pistol that's the image that pops in my head great video man thanks

    • Edwin Holt

      Edwin Holt

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      I have a sig sauer 1911 and its flawless

    • Granville Rickman

      Granville Rickman

      4 ամիս առաջ

      THANK GOD FOR LOGICS

  • Kimber Nineteen Eleven

    Kimber Nineteen Eleven

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    Walther PPS M2 (sub compact), PPQ, HK USP, VP9, & CZ 75.

  • Anthony Ashford

    Anthony Ashford

    4 օր առաջ

    What a ea see you answer any revolver is the most dependable

  • KZIGGYZIG

    KZIGGYZIG

    6 օր առաջ

    CZ 2075 Rami. Love this gun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbp_-xsNP0k

  • Common Sense Realist

    Common Sense Realist

    10 օր առաջ

    Love my Hi-Power. It’s Browning’s improvement on his previous 1911. The modern CZ-75 is the DA/SA improvement to the Hi-Power.

  • mwnciboo

    mwnciboo

    11 օր առաջ

    FNS-9... 509 kicked the FNS down in value, an absolute bargain now.

  • Bryan Sims

    Bryan Sims

    15 օր առաջ

    I am surprised that a barettea 92 or smith & wesson m&p model didn't make the list

  • EI Tadashi

    EI Tadashi

    17 օր առաջ

    #1 is clearly the HK MK23. No other pistol survived all the testing the MK23 has gone through.
    HK MK23 is god of relibility.

  • Rationality

    Rationality

    22 օր առաջ

    What about the canik TP9DA or SF?

  • Muhammad Azam Khan

    Muhammad Azam Khan

    23 օր առաջ

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  • Jacob Diaz

    Jacob Diaz

    24 օր առաջ

    Wow cz75 hu? always thought it was the 1911's now I know what to get, thanks man👏👍✌

  • Kevin Derynck

    Kevin Derynck

    26 օր առաջ

    CZ PO1 or CZ75D Trust them daily with my life and the lives of others. Glocks became 'safe queens' as a result of the great CZ!!

  • Kinga B

    Kinga B

    27 օր առաջ

    I love my Beretta 92FS

  • Walter Ritchey

    Walter Ritchey

    28 օր առաջ

    Beretta 92fs? 😁
    Love my FN pistols, but mine does not like steel rounds.

  • Business Email

    Business Email

    29 օր առաջ

    I carried a 1911 for a long time and now I carry a Taurus G3 and absolutely love it for day to day but my 1911 stays under my pillow

  • Wouter D'Haeseleer

    Wouter D'Haeseleer

    29 օր առաջ

    For me it's my Sig Sauer P226 LDC Stainless steel made in Germany(Kiel). Gun is so well made, very accurate and the LDC makes it looks good and makes it perfect for fast firing. Never had a fail to fire. I will never sell it.

  • Pedro Serzedo

    Pedro Serzedo

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    “This is the best handgun ever made, the Colt Single Action Army.”

    • Hey BabyGurl

      Hey BabyGurl

      24 օր առաջ

      Just kidding. I don't agree

    • Hey BabyGurl

      Hey BabyGurl

      24 օր առաջ

      I agree

    • john harris

      john harris

      28 օր առաջ

      Not hardly.

  • John Raba

    John Raba

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    The M9 is the most reliable pistol ever made. I have a Taurus pt92. It has the same feeding mechanism as the M9. It has never failed to function in 30 years.

  • Dead Andburied

    Dead Andburied

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    CZ75 👍

  • Dead Andburied

    Dead Andburied

    Ամիս առաջ

    Any revolver beats for reliability

  • Muhammad Azam Khan

    Muhammad Azam Khan

    Ամիս առաջ

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  • Clarc King

    Clarc King

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    Not to mention the M9, 92fs? Really, had me going there,

  • Moff Jerjerrod

    Moff Jerjerrod

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    Glock #2 then a video on why not to own a Glock and one of why Glocks suck?

  • Pat Callahan

    Pat Callahan

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    Love CZ

  • Maurice O'Ray II

    Maurice O'Ray II

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    Good choice leaving revolvers out. There would be any room left on your list for the other guns.

  • Leo S

    Leo S

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    Bersa TPR9?

  • Kevin Derynck

    Kevin Derynck

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    CZ P01 or CZ 75D Just love my CZs. Own Glocks, Sigs, Kimber, Browning but CZ is my go to gun every single day! Great Video.

  • Steve Lira

    Steve Lira

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    im fine with Beretta aPX.................

  • Notorious ROSCOE

    Notorious ROSCOE

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    I own ONE handgun that has NEVER malfunctioned: Ruger LCP.

  • Jože klenovšek

    Jože klenovšek

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    Apparently you don’t follow the amery channel, you would see there which model absolutely swept the competition in the thorcher test. it is a REX ZERO 1, the most reliable handgun in the world ...buy one

  • Jeff Hagan

    Jeff Hagan

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    Thoughts on Springfield XD9?
    2nd or 3rd most heavily used pistol amongst LEOs worldwide.
    Really want a P-07, so glad you mentioned it as #1. Sadly it's not on the Cali roster.
    So curious what you think of the XD.
    Thanks

  • Vito Carbonara

    Vito Carbonara

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    BERETTA, GLOCK, H&K, SIG, CZ, AND M&P SERIES. BROWNING IS AN EXCELLENT FIREARM. Although i have owned serveral variants of the 92fs. I brlieve the 380 models are a very very good choice like 84F. H&K is just an excellent firearm along with SIG. In terms of the 1911' i like Colts, Kimber and Para Ord.. i love the FnH tactical 45 its a beast. Go with quality and you won't be disappointed.

  • Bob Jeffrey

    Bob Jeffrey

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    1911 IN 45CAL,, WINNER thru all times. ( with a 10 rd mag.) PERIOD

  • Bob R

    Bob R

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    Yeah, I'm calling BS on the Browning High Power. Sorry but us old timers know them to be fussy on ammo. Glock was the first but there no longer in the league of several other guns in you honorable mention list. 2.0 is a far better gun than a Glock for Lord's sake. But Lee Ermy advertised for them and said they were perfect. Well $hit Tom Selleck is now telling seniors that reverse mortgages are a good thing. Nothing more needs to be said. Oh yeah, the Sig P226 ... reliable as long as you keep it real clean and well oil dripping oil. Tight tolerances don't fair well when dirty and dry. Okay the Glock beats that on dependability.

    • Bob R

      Bob R

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      My background? 39 of law enforcement 37 as a firearms instructor.

  • Kimball Scarr

    Kimball Scarr

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    Yay... I agree... CZ75... I have two Compact (Steel Frame versions)!

  • Jose Romero

    Jose Romero

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    The top 3 has to be Glock, Beretta and Sig. I would move CZ to 4th and HK to 5th.

  • Craig Chase

    Craig Chase

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    Glocks win. There's a reason everybody from conceal carry to Military/Police carried it for so many years and said the same thing (They just go Bang every time). I haven't really heard that about any other pistol that was used a lot. All the rest are Very good reliable guns, but the words "Reliable and Glock" are like "Peanut butter and jelly", they just belong together. Plus glocks are all that way, where the others are basically using just the 9mm.

    • USAFWPNS 42

      USAFWPNS 42

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      If you are in to Glocks....I guess

  • Craig Chase

    Craig Chase

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    Taurus PT92, Just saying.

  • j Nemes 65

    j Nemes 65

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    Canik PT9 series: the Glock Killer

  • j Nemes 65

    j Nemes 65

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    Joe Bidens diaper is full 💩

  • Brian Jeffers

    Brian Jeffers

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    Sig P220 45acp. Quality of Sig power of 45acp. Firearms are completely subjective to the individual.

  • Dániel Illés

    Dániel Illés

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    Why use 9mm when 45 acp stronger?????

  • Johnathon Davis

    Johnathon Davis

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    My FN collection has been fabulous, problem-free for decades.

  • Slicem F

    Slicem F

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    no Makarov? seriously?

  • Edwin Holt

    Edwin Holt

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    The 1911 is by far the most reliable gun, and still used by military today

    • Motorbreath -

      Motorbreath -

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      I carry a 1911 and I agree, in perfect conditions it will run for probably millions of rounds due to the low pressure of 45 cap. I love 1911s they are my favorite pistols and I trust my life with one, but in dirty end of the world conditions mud sand etc, they are not the most reliable. It pains me to say it but it’s true due to the exposed firing pin while the hammer is cocked back

  • Tcbranger

    Tcbranger

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    Worst information ever.

  • Axl Despaw

    Axl Despaw

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    #5 0:33 *BROWNING HI POWER*
    #4 1:27 *SIG P226*
    #3 1:52 *HK USP/HK P30*
    #2 2:30 *GLOCK PISTOLS*
    #1 3:39 *CZ 75/P-07*

  • Roy Rivera

    Roy Rivera

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    I had a Browning HP in the late 80's and it was a pleasure to shoot! Now I have a CZ P-07 that will stay with me until the day I die! Awesome gun!

    • WinKee Manley

      WinKee Manley

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      I have been carrying my Hi Power (FN Belgium) for 40 years and regularly shoot it at my club. It is very reliable and has never let me down. Recently, I have applied for a licence for a CZ P07. Hope that I am successful in getting the licence for this CZ.

  • Austin Allison

    Austin Allison

    2 ամիս առաջ

    Now I found a reliable and trusted gun store called immaglockdealer they are on wickr and telegram I really appreciate them for the cool and good work gun I got from them it really works effectively

  • Leon Macanip

    Leon Macanip

    2 ամիս առաջ

    How about the iconic M1911?

  • Tony V

    Tony V

    2 ամիս առաջ

    The first 9 x 19 I ever fired was a German P-35 war trophy, when I was 8 years old. The second 9 x 19 I fired was a Beretta Brigadier, when I was 10 years old. The P-35 has been my favorite ever since. Wish I could afford one...sigh.

  • Todd Thompson

    Todd Thompson

    2 ամիս առաջ

    I own a Hipower and CZ75, love them both.

    • David

      David

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      Helpful thanks. The browning hipower is intriguing because of how long it has been around.

  • Ricky Johnson

    Ricky Johnson

    2 ամիս առաջ

    Canik beats most all out there and is as good or better any u showed sfx the Glock killer top dog ur list needs add canik mud dirt snow as well as a xd spring field ice or water tested

  • Freedom Fighter Brandon Harris

    Freedom Fighter Brandon Harris

    2 ամիս առաջ

    Love my M&P 2.0 9 and Sig 226 legion

  • Bill Jeffries

    Bill Jeffries

    2 ամիս առաջ

    I have the CZ 75D compact ; was glad to see it on the list. Hope to get an HK P30 SK sometime.

  • Mike Mian

    Mike Mian

    2 ամիս առաջ

    I love my PX4. I tried several guns on the range before buying it. As a noob with bigger than average hands, the .40 variant shot as well as a 9mm glocks. The double action means I'm comfortable carrying with one in the chamber and safety off.
    I've only got 500 rounds through it, but basic tear down for cleaning is simple and easy. I don't store it in a bucket of mud, so envisage reliability will remain good.
    I live in CA so only have 10 round clips, so each round needs to make an impression.

  • Robert Watson

    Robert Watson

    2 ամիս առաջ

    The only time proven, reliable firearm is a Glock. CZ is very hard to come by regularly or quickly. Locally magazines are not to be found--and they are very expensive. Other than Glocks most of these pistols are not readily available locally and magazines are hard to come by. SIG parts are impossible to find locally and this goes for all the guns except Glock. Poor availability of magazines, parts, and dealer support disqualify all these guns except Glock.

  • GPD

    GPD

    2 ամիս առաջ

    i owned a glock 19 gen 4. first range trip and had multiple ftf and fte . if i had relied on this pistol to save my life id be dead. might be a one time issue but if it fails it fails for life. cant undo that feeling when it doesnt go bang.

  • Jeffrey Morgan

    Jeffrey Morgan

    2 ամիս առաջ

    Good list. I have all but the Glock. Sig 226 HK usp 9 and 45. CZ75 Hi power . I don't like how glocks feel.

  • Gold

    Gold

    2 ամիս առաջ

    I like my Smith & Wesson 9ve Sigma if anybody has one of these they know what I'm talking about 5000 + rounds never failed.

    • Gold

      Gold

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      @turnip123942 when you become a "man" you dont mind it ,also they make a trigger kit that lightens it up substantially.

    • turnip123942

      turnip123942

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      I had a Sigma. You are right that it is reliable but the trigger is awful. Like dragging a dead horse through a gravel pit.

  • Shallow Thought

    Shallow Thought

    2 ամիս առաջ

    Is the beretta actually good? Everyone talks it up but my experiences in the at were that they were hot garbage. I religiously cleaned and oiled mine when I was in

  • West CW

    West CW

    3 ամիս առաջ

    Colt 1911, should be the only words said here!

  • paul van orden

    paul van orden

    3 ամիս առաջ

    No gives the Ruger SR9 any love, great semiauto 9mm

  • The Captain

    The Captain

    3 ամիս առաջ

    Springfield XDm. Can somebody please tell me why this gun never makes it on these lists? It has worked flawlessly for me. Have I just been lucky?

  • M Martinez

    M Martinez

    3 ամիս առաջ

    Boy I’m glad you didn’t say a S&W M&P thank you the M&P is a piece of crap.

  • Diversion

    Diversion

    3 ամիս առաջ

    HK VP9 and Springfield XD.👍
    My G19 chokes on steel cased ammo,
    and never had a 1911 that ran 100%.
    Miss my CZ 75 compact, Just weighted my pants down too much.

  • james00001

    james00001

    3 ամիս առաջ

    Sig p320 all day, 6000 rounds and 0 misfires 0 failure to feeds, absolute American dream

    • Bil Carter

      Bil Carter

      3 ամիս առաջ

      I agree. I just got one a few months ago and I can't believe I didn't get one sooner. I'm starting to question whether I still love my Glock 19.

  • Shaun Elijah

    Shaun Elijah

    3 ամիս առաջ

    Maybe you SHOULD have said "Top 5 most reliable PISTOLS of all time"

    • Tyler Leigh

      Tyler Leigh

      3 ամիս առաջ

      A handgun is a pistol

  • Addy King

    Addy King

    3 ամիս առաջ

    Where is the Deagle

  • John Doe

    John Doe

    3 ամիս առաջ

    no glock? 1911 reliable? 1911 are all trash. they are all unreliable. you need a toyota, not a ford that breaks down all the time.

  • Alex Tristan

    Alex Tristan

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    All those real shit are with *mrmasterglock on wickr* I just got a fucking glock19 from him.

  • Fred Stafford

    Fred Stafford

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    My P07 Duty is very reliable. One MAGAZINE was causing me a headache, so I replaces the Mag spring and no more issues.

  • Maxwell Marsden

    Maxwell Marsden

    3 ամիս առաջ

    HK USP is on the list but my back up Smith & Wesson 645 isn't???!!! Well DAMN... SMH =) ROFLMAO

  • The OldSarge

    The OldSarge

    3 ամիս առաջ

    ...yeah, the video's two years old, but I just found it...WHAT! The CZ beating out the Glock! Could'a knocked me outta my chair with a feather...but, as I would rather not own a Glock, and own half a dozen different CZs, I would agree...who'da thunk....

  • music cliche

    music cliche

    3 ամիս առաջ

    What about taurus

  • Sweety Rawal

    Sweety Rawal

    4 ամիս առաջ

    I love guns

  • Blake Davis

    Blake Davis

    4 ամիս առաջ

    0:59 the 1911 would like a word with you

  • Tom C.

    Tom C.

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    The 1911 should be on the list. I used one for 12 years firing it often and would trust my life to it.

  • Chris B

    Chris B

    4 ամիս առաջ

    CZ’s rule!!!!

  • EJ Marro

    EJ Marro

    4 ամիս առաջ

    Honest Outlaw: Glock is #2 on this list
    Also Honest Outlaw: Don't buy a Glock, 5 reasons why. LoL.
    I know, I know, this is for reliability but it still made me laugh.

  • Nano Brain

    Nano Brain

    4 ամիս առաջ

    So happy with my CZ-P07!

  • Janet Klien

    Janet Klien

    4 ամիս առաջ

    My neighbor told me he got glock 9mm from a reliable seller cashmain on wickr some days ago I just got mine from him thanks man

  • J C 4Life Research

    J C 4Life Research

    4 ամիս առաջ

    GLOCK is my fav.

  • J G24

    J G24

    4 ամիս առաջ

    Are any of these legal in CA other than gen 3 glocks

  • yunas saxer

    yunas saxer

    4 ամիս առաջ

    great!

  • Faisal Yousuf 036

    Faisal Yousuf 036

    4 ամիս առաջ

    I always chuckle when I hear "war on terror"

    • T Sherman

      T Sherman

      4 ամիս առաջ

      Why? Because you are a clown?

  • Doug Vito

    Doug Vito

    4 ամիս առաջ

    I love and have CZs. However, doesn't the CZ p07 have a bad record of breaking trigger springs, roll pins etc? Just curious cuz i see this in forums a lot, that's why I've been hesitant about making the p07 my ccw

  • Brien Draper

    Brien Draper

    4 ամիս առաջ

    I was hoping that the Staccato2011 pistols would be on that list.

  • SS

    SS

    4 ամիս առաջ

    recycling is an utter waste of time...

  • Adolf Hitler

    Adolf Hitler

    4 ամիս առաջ

    😷

  • Tuck Wyatt

    Tuck Wyatt

    4 ամիս առաջ

    what's epic about the US is that u have the freedom to feel independently enabled and own guns

  • Tom Messina

    Tom Messina

    4 ամիս առաջ

    Not a big target shooter... but I used a 1911A1.... would not be here without it today. It was rough to look at and use but it did the one thing I required... It kept me alive in Vietnam. All I can say is it was beloved by me and NEVER let me down... and it hit what I aimed at (no, not targets) and not a single person got back on their feet coming up against us.

  • The mad mechanic

    The mad mechanic

    5 ամիս առաջ

    HK p7 beats Glock by at least 10 years Glock isn’t the first poly gun

  • Jeff Howard

    Jeff Howard

    5 ամիս առաջ

    I had a brownie could keep front site on it, I didn’t say I didn’t like it,, I loved the gun wish I still had it,, just got tired of the front site

  • Dyzastrus

    Dyzastrus

    5 ամիս առաջ

    #1 most reliable pistol: Remington RP9. Almost had me for a second.

    • Sig Guy

      Sig Guy

      4 ամիս առաջ

      Thought the same thing. Was like... "Ummmmm... WHAAAAT THE HEEEELLLLLL"????

  • wireman290

    wireman290

    5 ամիս առաջ

    Gave my son my Ruger LC9-the 1st gen with the exceptionally shitty trigger. With things being what they are lately, I wanted him to have a better option. Gave him my CZ75. I've still got my P10c and P10s, but damn I do miss it a little. Meh, he's more important to me than the gun.

  • ZIPPER

    ZIPPER

    5 ամիս առաջ

    92fs? Wtf

  • Kevin Thompson

    Kevin Thompson

    5 ամիս առաջ

    I think all the stuff of *mrmasterglock on wickr* sells gun online is fake but I convinced me right now, I just got mine safety gun from him.

  • N W

    N W

    5 ամիս առաջ

    Just seen on asp, off duty cop shoots his glockenspiel and it jams 3 times!

  • Dave Stow

    Dave Stow

    5 ամիս առաջ

    What, no cost estimate?